8.70 ea. Bullet Drop at Target Range= 15.8 inches (M2 at 2805 fps & BC of 0.409) Height of sight above bore= 1.5 inches. It comes in at 37.25-inches in length and just 8.75-pounds. The 20 yard zero (blue line) provides the least drop at long distance with only minimal flight over the point of aim. It has a 300 yard range instead of the 100 yard range of the smooth bore muskets of the day, but it takes 60 seconds to reload instead of the 20 seconds for smooth bore muskets. I brought a Brown Rifle. A Gun Going Strong Since 2004 The Springfield M1A SOCOM launched in 2004 and its still with us today, which speaks volumes for this left-field and slightly bizarre rifle. The most important thing in zeroing a red dot is knowing where and when to hold over or under. adjust sights to move shot group center as close as possible to the white dot in center of target. adjust sights to move shot group center as close as possible to the white dot in center of target. For simple "Battle-Zero," Zero-in at 25 yards, then come up 1 click. 25 meter zeroing target - m4 carbine 1- for zeroing at 25 meters, rotate the rear sight elevation knob to the 300 meter (6/3) setting. and then it could be as much as 1/2" off at 100 and almost an inch at 25 yards. 22-250 is, in essence a 308 necked down for 223 projectiles. Originally Posted by GunnyG. In the diagram, the center aligns with the edge of the black. A look at how 25, 50 and 100 yard zeros impact the bullets flight path. For the M1A and M1 Garand shooters out there that are somewhat new to the aforementioned rifles, here is a little experience I had today. At this distance, its common to be hitting about an inch or inch and a half low Now, you can use a slight hold over if the target is particularly small, but most of the time Carroll County. Got to play in the snow today, M1. 2. The rifle commission rejected this design in the second round of their tests, but Kalashnikov would radically revise his design and create the 189.99 / 100 95.00 / 50 47.50 / 25 31.67 / 12 21.11 / 6 14.07 / 3 7.04 each. 100 Yard Zero Trajectory: M-1 Garand; M-14 / M1A Rifle Marksmanship; M-16; M-16 Technical; M-60 Machine Gun; If you zero at 25 yards, make sure your target is square to your rifle and perfectly zero it. And it makes sense for Springfield, which has long been in the business of producing shortened M1As with its SOCOM lineup of carbine-length guns based on the M1A action. 6 o'clock hold, standard SR-1 target. This is a medium-range match with targets from 5 to 400 yards designed for AR15s, aka the Black Rifle. Permanent damage can occur while shooting standard factory loaded 30-06 ammunition in the M1 Garand, said Dave Emary, Hornady Chief Ballistic Scientist. For a main battle rifle like the M1 Garand shooting the relatively powerful 30.06 cartridge that far zero was often chosen to be 300 yards. 12,048. If you have "National Match" sights, there are only two differences between Service and NM sights. I was limited to 75 yards on that range, still on target without any adjustments. Another view of the Pro 2 Customs mag pouch and an M1 Garand loaded clip. In my competition pistols, I zero the dot at 20 yards for USPSA matches. The Garand that I shot yesterday had a 200 yard zero so I put 40 clicks in it. Answer (1 of 6): Well, long standing commentary concerning Camp Perry matches, say that any time you put one outside the X ring at 1000yd, in the first two heats, you may as well leave the line. As stated above, the two points on the parabolic arc are 24 yards and 250 yards for this example. :super: Edit: Note, The reason for this is that at a 25m zero, the bullet will cross the line of sight at 25m and at 200 yards, so the 25m zero is also dead on at 200 yards. You dial in that click to the left. Edited January 25, 2013 by LngRngShtr If you zero at 25 yards your only a +1 click up away from darn close at 200 yards. Loading the M1 was easy, but zeroing the old warhorse was easier. zeroing instructions: 1- aim at target center and carefully fire a 3 shot group. bullet, when zeroed at 26 yards, angles above the line-of-sight 2.81 inches at 200 yards, crosses the line of sight (zero) again at approximately 275 yards, before falling beyond 3 inches low at 310 yards. The 6.5 round even arrives at the 300 yard mark .03 seconds faster than the .308, fired at the same initial muzzle velocity. Kingston Armory .22 LR M1 Garand. Zeroing the M1 Garand Service Rifle Sight Adjustment . Some very nice shooting with some very old milsurps. Between the tiny aperture and the rugged front blade (with its bat-shaped ears) most of the target was obscured at 25 yards. 1483. Ignore the upper right target. Both conditioned and standard M1s are suitable for competitive shooting. Where an accurized Garand works in High Power competition and Unlimited CMP events, a rack M1 is legal for other the CMP Games, specifically the John C. Garand Match. Targeting is the process of adjusting the front sight of an M1, M14 or M16 service rifle (or their civilian equivalents) so that the shooter can get the most benefit from the adjustability of the rear sight. It is milsurpKorean milsurp. Ive set up my M1 Garand for the original 300 yard battle zero, ordered some professional target holders, two by fours and plywood and NRA SR targets, some combat silhouette targets and steel targets that hang from chain. I was told to forget the 300 yard zero and zero for 25 yards. The finalized cartridge, the Caliber .30 Ball Cartridge Model 1903 (.30-03), used the same bullet at the same velocity as its predecessor, but it had a thinner rim. 12. In my competition pistols, I zero the dot at 20 yards for USPSA matches. Available for both AR-15 and AK-47 rifles. What you're talking of is called a 'Battlefield-Zero'. My marksmanship training consisted of three rounds fired at a small gridded target at 25 yards, which I was given and kept (for a while at least.) For the M1A and M1 Garand shooters out there that are somewhat new to the aforementioned rifles, here is a little experience I had today. If you zero at 25 and move to 50-100 you will need to come down in elevation 25 yards roughly 1.5 aiming black pick your hold. It produces a 168-grain Garand ammo load that plays nice with the M1s gas system. Another view of the Pro 2 Customs mag pouch and an M1 Garand loaded clip. The middle white diamond is 4 MOA wide, which is the expected accuracy standard for Army shooters. Note that the height of the sights, cross-hairs, or reticle above the bore of the rifle will affect the what distance that you should zero your rifle to achieve the flattest trajectory. As stated above, the two points on the parabolic arc are 24 yards and 250 yards for this example. We would like to show you a description here but the site wont allow us. The front sight was bigger than the plate. The 25 yard zero equalling 250 yard zero depends on caliber and scope height. Nice, audible and tactile clicks, big adjustment knobs. We can glean from the top of the page that Im shooting on Sept. 13, 2014 at Peacemaker National Training Center shooting my Remington AAC-SD with Bushnell ERS using M118LR ammunition at 100 yards. Permanent damage can occur while shooting standard factory loaded 30-06 ammunition in the M1 Garand, said Dave Emary, Hornady Chief Ballistic Scientist. By John M. Buol Jr. U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1 was the first practical self loading rifle to be standard 300 and 600 yard targets were changed to the current decimal targets used today. Another view of the Pro 2 Customs mag pouch and an M1 Garand loaded clip. A forged James River Armory M14 costs $2,295 and the LRB M14 costs $ 2,495 ; a similar configured SAI M1A costs around $1,700. 2- aim at the target center. The 1873 Springfield Trapdoor, the Springfield M1903, The M1 Garand and the M14 are all rifles that served major roles for the United States in wars and conflicts over the years. His shooting partner had a 6mm Remington with more reach than Bills .22-250. I was in the center, 21 yo son on lower left - his second or third time shooting either that kid is a natural or the video games are better training than I imagined!. If you have zeroed with a center hold and are aiming center mass, eg. The builder tells me the tricky part is getting the gas port the right size for it to cycle. I'm happy with it. I brought a Brown Rifle. toggle menu this put the m2 ball round less than a inch high at 200 yards for a 25 yard zero which as i recall is pretty dang near where it should be. Now when I worked with the M16, we adjusted our zero(25 meters) till we hit center mass with a 1 inch group. These targets are designed to take advantage of the human eye's natural tendency to center an object within a circle. I had a five shot group all within 1 1/2" however, the group was 3" below point "A". Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 8 of 8 Posts. I brought a Brown Rifle. My M1 Garand in .308 is a very accurate and mild shooting rifle, almost no recoil. The target I used was a repair center with the 44" aiming black which are available at Cheaper than dirt. At 5 yards I need to aim 2.5 inches high, at 50 yards 0.6 inches. I start with 0 windage and 8 clicks up on an unfamiliar Garand. If you're in the ballpark, make adjustments, run your target out to a hundred yards. In Figure No. When you sight a high power rifle in, it is common to start with a 25 yard zero. 125 grain plain based "small game/gallery" 900-1000 f.p.s., 5 grains of Bullseye or equivalent. Another load target was accuracy at 100 yards. It produces a 168-grain Garand ammo load that plays nice with the M1s gas system. Eventually, the standard M1 Garands were phased out, and the M14 was in, the 7.6251 predecessor to the M16. The benefit of the 6 OClock Hold is that you can see a lot more of your target than you can with the Combat Hold, but there are several downsides I had no problem sighting in at 40 yards and quickly getting a very small group on the target. When the 6.5 reaches 500 yards its packing the energy that the .308 did at 300 yards. I worked up equivalent charges to obtain the desired velocity ranges with modern powders, which provide a sound basis for loading cast bullets in any post-1898 military rifle from 7mm to 8mm: 1. Modified from a .30.03 cartridge, the .30-06 was developed for military purposes in 1906. originating from a desire to be shooting at 1000 yards. Keeping the barrel-heavy rifles muzzle steady and the sights on target was a challenge. adjust sights to move shot group center as close as possible to the white dot in the center of the target. At 25 yards, a 50-yard zero is also pretty close to your actual point of aim. Three shots at 25 yards and one click up on the money. There's enough adjustment to zero by adjusting the sight to the left. Re: Old Timers with the M1 Garand. Like I mentioned before, with the 6 OClock Hold you place the top of your front sight post either below the bullseye or at the bottom of the entire target (depending on how you zero your sights). For simple "Battle-Zero," Zero-in at 25 yards, then come up 1 click. The extreme spread was 59 FPS, and the Standard Deviation was 23 FPS. LT (SNC) 8" Laser Target. But importantly, he can establish those zeros at a very short shooting facility, since the target is positioned at a mere 50 yards. I did Army BCT in 1968. A excellent 8620 mil-spec made M1 Garand will cost around $1.400-$1.500 from the Garand Guy with excellent used milspec GI parts and a new barrel (17 ). Went to the range today and tried to zero my M1 using the subject target at 25 yards. The Rio Salado club hosted its Black Rifle match on July 4 th. I needed to know more. This was the result of one funstick per shooter. With the exception of early M1 Carbines that had a rear sight that could flip between a 150 yard setting and a 300 yard setting, most M1 Carbines found today have the newer style (late WWII / Korean War era) sights. per adhesive sheet. On the short-range target (200 yards), this is approximately 6 inches from center. Now you're a half inch to the left on that M1/M14/M1A/AR with normal (target sights have finer adjustments). No need for scopes and bull barrels at the 25 yard line. Although it has not been active on duty since the Vietnam War, it was and is still considered a lethal weapon. Here I'm shooting a 27 inch alluminum target at 250 yards with my CMP M1 garand. Place this target at 83'4" or 1000" the test says 3 warm up shots then the next five consecutive shots should fall with in the rectangle and group 1.77" or less. Ia m. Currently shooting Federal Gold Medal Match 168 gr for 200, 300 and 600 yards. The rifle's overall length was 43.25 inches, and its weight was 8.8 pounds. The older 100/200 yard two-aperture flip sights are simple and easy but require a drift punch for windage adjustments and offer no elevation adjustment at all. Its a 50-Yard Sighting Target for the M1 Garand (and other .30-06 Springfield vintage military rifles). toggle menu this put the m2 ball round less than a inch high at 200 yards for a 25 yard zero which as i recall is pretty dang near where it should be. Rated 5 out of 5 by DGuinn from Works as a SCOUT SCOPE Hello All, I purchased this particular version to mount on a M1 Garand Scout rifle build. This is a medium-range match with targets from 5 to 400 yards designed for AR15s, aka the Black Rifle. 5.5x1/900(25 yards in inches)= .006 500, all M1 Garand front sights are the same height coming out of say, Springfield Armory. The new US Army 25 meter zero target is my preference. The "old" come ups was 44 clicks from a 100 yard zero. The tradition of the M14 has been carried on by todays Springfield Armory in Geneseo, Illinois, with its M1A semi-auto rifle. The design was intended to be lightweight and compact as an improvement of the M1 Garand, and this rifle offers amazing speed and accuracy. The LeeEnfield bolt-action, magazine-fed, repeating rifle was the main firearm used by the military forces of the British Empire and Commonwealth during the first half of the 19th century. Sharpshooter. With an appropriate bullet choice, the 30-06 penetrates a variety of commonly encountered barriers. (250 yards X 1.5 inches) / (1.58 inches) = 24 yards. #2. mnm1945 said: I was wondering if you guys could tell me your best loads for Your M1 Garand in 30-06 caliber. M2 ball, fired from a Garand with a 275 yard zero will be at +0.3 inches at 25 yards, peaking at +4.7 inches at 150 yards, zeroing at 0.0 inches at 275 yards, and falling to -8 inches at 350 yards. Some brass will last three or four loadings, others a few more. with 52 point zero grains of IMR 4895, which gives 3000 fps at 52k psi. Bring your M1 Garand rifle or other military rifle, and 50 rounds of ammo. 2- after completing 25 meter zero, using the unmarked (larger) aperture. In a nut shell place a 3.44"w x 5.11"t rectangle with a 1.5" half black bull roughly in the center of the rectangle. This offering from Hornady is purpose-built to provide safe and reliable functioning in the M1 Garand. Sellier & Bellot makes a 150-grain .30-06 loading For M1 Garand as part of its match tactical line of ammo. Other than the barrel, the rest of the rifle is a standard Garand. This type of zeroing procedure is often called a battle sight zero or point blank zero. Tired of getting outshot past 400 yards, Bill put a 28-inch, bull-diameter, .25-caliber barrel on a Mauser 98 action, chambered it to .25-06, bedded it carefully, and scored an 800-yard hit on a faraway crow the first day out. The graph shows that your .270 Win. After reading my eyes blind on the Scout vs. I brought a Brown Rifle. Another view of the Pro 2 Customs mag pouch and an M1 Garand loaded clip. r/guns: A place for responsible gun owners and enthusiasts to talk about guns without the politics. The flyers on the target were the shots I took to initially zero the rifle. (do not use the z mark on the elevation knob.) To go from 200 yards to 300 yards, adjust up 3 clicks. The first semi-automatic rifle issued to infantry, the M1 Garand is invented. The Rio Salado club hosted its Black Rifle match on July 4 th. This zero should allow its on man-sized targets form 0 to 400 yards. Sure, Springfields Tanker is the 7.62 NATO/magazine-fed M1A and not the .30-06/clip-fed Garand, but the concept is the same. Most of our shooting was well inside of 300 yards. +1 The M1 Garand I was issued in the 7th Infantry Division, Korea 1953, had a small triangle pointing to the "3" on the elevation drum. Moved out 50 yards no adjustment still on target. The ammo is Koreanpacked in Garand clips. (from 300) when going back to the 600 yard line. (do not use the z mark on the elevation knob.) Zeroing the M1 Garand. The sights on the M1 and the M1A/M14 are adjusted in 1 MOA clicks. One other thing. Improving M1 Carbine Sights. That far distance will be determined by the power of the cartridge and the ballistic coefficient of the projectile. At 1000 yards the .30-06 round has dropped around 30 feet (350 inches). plus 8 laser spots. Its designed to allow a rifleman to confirm his zeros for multiple yardages all the way out to 1000 yards. 300(or 266) yards is battle sight. The 25 yard zero (red line) and 30 yard zero (green line) have very little (if any) rise over the point of aim, but their trajectories suffer significantly at longer ranges, dropping as much as ~5.75 at 100 yards. Champion Range and Target Score Keeper Fluorescent Orange Bull 100-yard Sight-in Rifle Target (Pack of 12) (45726) 4.7 out of 5 stars 676 12 offers from $2.95 One of their loadings specifically for the M1 Garand. This also equated to center mass at 300 yards. At 1000 yards it still has a velocity of 1200 fps, a typical 9mm handgun muzzle velocity. I believe I'm the only one to qualify with an M1 Garand. On the M1A Standard rifle, elevation and windage are adjustable in 1 minute of angle (about 1 inch at 100 yards) clicks. most Garands seem to be about 8 to 12 for 100 yards. There are rings on the inside set at 6, 8, and 12 MOA. Hi everyone. Its a 22-250 Garand. We stock the Full Size F-Class Targets and their Centers Get additional 5% off for subtotal over $100; or 10% for $250 * What is the POI of an M1 rifle at 25 yards for a 100 yard 1,000 Yard Shooting (1942 91/30 Mosin Nagant & M1D Garand Sniper Rifles) (Videos by YouTube member Ernest "mag30th") Ernest "mag30th" kindly gave us permission to post his videos here. I'm planning to it out this weekend to finish the zeroing on the 300 yard range. This neat Garand conversion was posted in a M1 Garand Facebook group I frequent. I general tell folks start at 10 clicks up with zero wind. 25 yards, will get you on paper. I brought a Brown Rifle. The Rio Salado club hosted its Black Rifle match on July 4 th. Also, do not forget the Garand. The NRA shooting targets below are printed on NRA standard BUFF target paper (P) or tagboard (T), except SNC. 2- after completing 25 meter zero, using the unmarked (larger) aperture. repeat as necessary. I then extended the 200 yard shooting lane I carved out on my rural private property to 300 yards. The 1st 3 rds. This is a medium-range match with targets from 5 to 400 yards designed for AR15s, aka the Black Rifle. Another view of the Pro 2 Customs mag pouch and an M1 Garand loaded clip. The varying degree of the deviation will depend on your mount height but most of your impacts should be with in +or- 1 inch of your point of Once I was satisfied with my zero, I moved to the 100 and 200 yards range. DA 20. Both changes were approved, and the rifle was adopted as the U.S. Magazine Rifle, Caliber .30, Model 1903. Sometimes you will find your group say a half inch to the right. M1 carbine 25 yd zero target. 22-250 M1 Garand. So from 0-100 yards just hold where you want to hit unless its a head shot inside 25 yards. This takes advantage of both the "up" path and the "down" path. Anybody know what the height is supposed to be on a m1 garand front sight above the bore.mine is not handy to measure. It is designed for the M1 (147 gr I believe). I got my world war 2 era M1 a few weeks ago so Ive taken out to the range twice now. It has been a long time since I owned a Garand and this may sound like a "doofuss" answer, but here goes. Jun 4, 2017. This should result in groups centered on a 4" diameter from 0 to 400 yards. Stewart A. Leach. Carroll County. Red Dot Optic Zero Target . 1 we see a Square Target data page that Im using to record zeroing my rifle after Ive removed and reattached the scope. Jun 29, 2010. R.I.P. A guide to modern ownership of the M1 Garand. I like to zero my .223 Remington (or 5.56mm) rifles at this 50 yard distance for a couple of reasons. Permanent damage can occur while shooting standard factory loaded 30-06 ammunition in the M1 Garand, said Dave Emary, Hornady Chief Ballistic Scientist. Typical factory loads contain propellants that when fired, result in port pressures and gas volumes that are too high, causing violent stress to the rifle's operating rod, bolt, and receiver. One present was an Extar EP9 with the famous Gaialoop $25 red dot. It is not the same as sighting in or getting zeroes. Jun 29, 2010. The M1A Tanker model offers a 16.25-inch parkerized carbon steel barrel and a vintage walnut stock. I decided to chance it and select a pistol scope, one reason was the higher magnification, and parallax adjustment. What's the X ring on a standard target, 10_12, that's at 1000 yards. M1 Garand Fund Development Program; Our range includes 10 electronic rifle targets set up at 100 yards and 5 cardboard pistol targets set up at either 50 ft., 25 or 50 yards. With a 100 meter zero' the Springfield is sighted for the NRA 300-yard slow-fire target with 23 clicks elevation on the Lyman #57 sight. It was common for snipers to consistently hit targets out to 600 yards. The .30 caliber (7.62 mm) rounds of the M1 are much heavier than the .223 (5.56 mm) rounds of the M16 because of heavier bullets and larger cases containing more propellant. M1 Carbine. As stated that zero works well out to 300 yards. They show him engaging an 18" steel plate at 1000 yards with his M1D Garand sniper rifle. This should result in groups centered on a 4" diameter from 0 to 400 yards. When you move the target out to 100 yards, it should be pretty close to zero. R.I.P. The Rio Salado club hosted its Black Rifle match on July 4 th. Another view of the Pro 2 Customs mag pouch and an M1 Garand loaded clip. I've seen anywhere from 4 clicks to 18 clicks up at 100 yards. At this point, many of our Rifle 125 events will feature the opportunity to put a clip through a US Rifle, Cal .30, M1 ; otherwise known as the M1 Garand rifle used by the US military during WWII. Zeroing is done at 25yards. Its a 50-Yard Sighting Target for the M1 Garand. Edited January 25, 2013 by LngRngShtr guy sajer the downside to this was they where using electronic targets that where set at 100 yards. This effectively zeros-in for 200 yards. the weapon is zeroed at 250 m for m193 (55 gr.) Ive never shot a rifle with iron sights before so its been an adjustment. question about using iron sights on the M1. The M1A Tanker model was inspired by and based on the shortened Tanker Garand rifles conceived towards the end of World War II. At 25 meters, each square is 1 MOA wide and tall. The 6.5 is 23% flatter shooting with its trajectory over that distance, given the same 100 yard zero. The most important thing in zeroing a red dot is knowing where and when to hold over or under. 6 targets/24 pasters. Furthermore, some appreciate the touch of history, and are less intimidated by the cosmetic aspects of these classics. As expected, the M1As little peep sight was a problem. 04-25-2021, 05:45 PM. At 150 yards I have 1.1 inches of drop, same hold. By John M. Buol Jr. U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1 was the first practical self loading rifle to be standard 300 and 600 yard targets were changed to the current decimal targets used today. The Springfield easily shot into 1 1/2 inches on a regular basis. Nov 20, 2014. As old as it may sound, this rifle is one of the best for combat. I realize 1000 yards is pushing it for this rifle but i thought i would ask anyways. We will discuss zeroing the M1 at 100 and 200 yards, marking sights, loading the rifle, course of fire, positions, sling use, target operation in the target pits, etc. This is a medium-range match with targets from 5 to 400 yards designed for AR15s, aka the Black Rifle. The 11 or so in the middle were the last group of shots I took before putting it away satisfied. Heres how it works. Sighting in a 22 cal rifle that you never shot before at 100 yards and with 15 to 20 miles a hour winds on Lake Erie was a little difficult. I like the M1 carbine, but it offers two imperfect sighting options. A guide to modern ownership of the M1 Garand. U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1 was the first practical self loading rifle to be standard issue by a major military power. zeroing instructions: 1- aim at target center and carefully fire a 3 shot group. Bullet Drop at Target Range= 15.8 inches (M2 at 2805 fps & BC of 0.409) Height of sight above bore= 1.5 inches. The M1D (bottom) with M84 scope was used extensively during the Korean War. the weapon is zeroed at 250 m for m193 (55 gr.) A 24 yard zero should put you on the paper at 250 yards. Now throw a scope on top of one of those and a 25 yard zero wont be a 250 yard zero. It was designed for iron sites on M1 Garand, M14s and M16's. Oleg Volk 06.30.14. The Rio Salado club hosted its Black Rifle match on July 4 th. Its designed to allow a rifleman to confirm his zeros for multiple yardages all the way out to 1000 yards. 2- aim at the target center. Pistol scope issue. The very first time I shot the M1 was at a range where the target was 100 yards away. M1A Tanker. Anybody know what the height is supposed to be on a m1 garand front sight above the bore.mine is not handy to measure. This is a medium-range match with targets from 5 to 400 yards designed for AR15s, aka the Black Rifle. This effectively zeros-in for 200 yards. Lets look at distance shooting with that same 100-yard zero shooting full-size IPSC targets. M1 Garands have been used for casual and competitive target shooting ever since they came home on the shoulders of GIs in the 1940s.